Starting a NON ADCI dive school. Veteran Owned and Operated Looking for input.

Ok Crew, Im at it again. TIme for divers to stand up and stand out! I have been working on this for awhile. The only way we can retake this industry is to re write the standards being taught. I am looking for former NAVY, ARMY, COAST GUARD, and MARINE DIVING Instructors to assist in creating a real world diver training program.

256-312-9503, e-mail jerry.babin@yahoo.com 

No smart ass comments, please no student or rookie comments at this time. Sr. Divers and former instructors ONLY.

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Permalink Reply by David D Harden on August 5, 2014 at 4:10am

First thing Willy told me when I graduated was, congrats, you are now an unemployed diver, if your lucky, 1-3 yrs as a tender. I got lucky and jumped the 1st week in the gulf, lots of offshoot companies started then. Only time I tended was after I was a sat tech/ chamber op and the company I worked for transferred me to another vessel. They wanted me to be a betty tender on that vessel after 4yrs with them diving/ shop foreman and sat teching. Needless to say, I walked, went to mexico, sat on the beach for a week, returned stateside and started my own company for harvesting sea food and in water boat maint. Willy was my mentor in school even if he denies it. You will not hear BS out of his mouth about diving.

Permalink Reply by Russell W Smith on April 20, 2011 at 4:12pm
start these tadpoles in the blackwater, let em get comfortable working in currents and navigating in dark muddy s***, hell, teach em to walk before you put em in a race. If you build that reputation of putting out the real thing, then you cant loose. Assembly line divers rarely last and are prone to injury or hurting others. And the thing that really sucks is these poor bastards pay a fortune and dont know s***. I believe that practical application is the best teacher, as long as the teacher doesnt take away your interest. If ya make em good they,ll love there job....
Permalink Reply by Jerry Babin on April 20, 2011 at 4:24pm
Thats the Idea, teach them why we crawl before we walk.
Permalink Reply by willy Wilson on April 26, 2011 at 11:51am
I see everyone is telling you how to teach them but no one is telling you what to teach.  Just about all dive schools teach the same thing, the trick is to do it better then the other guy.  Instructors are the key to a good school.  You can have all the former military/gulf/inland divers teaching but if they don't know how to teach they are not worth the powder to blow their nose.  Not only do you have to have people who can teach but can teach the subject matter.  You can "dazzel them with brilliance or you can baffel them with B/S it is all up to you.  A good instructor will learn his/her students.  He/she will quickly learn which ones you can joke with and still maintain disipline.  The last thing you want to do fratenize on or poff campus.  If at all possible do not ---- do not dive in tanks.  My suggestion from an "old school" diver, throw their butt in a MK V and Jap Commercial and if they can handle that they can handle anything.  More to come. 
Permalink Reply by Daniel Gonzalez on June 11, 2011 at 6:09am
 All I have to say to that is look up a man named Jeff Powers!!!
Permalink Reply by Rachel Flack on May 17, 2011 at 2:22pm

Hello Jerry,

 

You should become a member of VeteranOwnedBusiness.com.  There's no cost.  There is also a directory of over 6,500 businesses from around the United States owned by veterans and active duty military.  There are a few categories related to diving, diving excursions, dive training, diving equipment and more.

Permalink Reply by Jerry Babin on May 17, 2011 at 4:32pm

Thanks

 

Permalink Reply by David Ronzoni on June 8, 2011 at 11:04am

Hello Jerry,

 

My name is David Roncinske, I am a representative with the Wharf and Dock Builders and Divers Local Union 454 out of Philadelphia.  I have been working to improve the conditions under which our Divers work, hence the all the Divers in our area since I cam on staff.  We just built a brand new Training center to pursue under water welding qualifications, and other training opportunities as required by our contractors and members.  Our local makes available opportunities to Veterans through Helmets to Hard Hats, I cant say that we give preferential treatment to Veterans, we don't have to, because they don't need any and usually fit right in.   Were doing our part to make this a respectable living, I will help anyone who wants to improve the conditions we all work under.  We all know what the problem is, its now time to do something about it. 

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by Jerry Babin on June 8, 2011 at 2:51pm
Thanks every inch we gain and hold is one more job that the ADC doesnt get their claws into Id like to speak with you more about what you are doing and how you did it. Please send me a e-mail at jerry.babin@yahoo.com with contact info and ph number. Thanks
Permalink Reply by willy Wilson on June 13, 2011 at 7:15am
Good morning David,  My name is Willy Wilson I am a member in good standing of Piledrivers, wharf builders dock builders and divers local 196 in Seattle. for over twenty years I and many others have been trying to get a program statred for the divers.  I have worked with Lou Rioux of 1456 of NY, Dan Kuhs of 56 out of Boston, Vince Rainier from 2696 ( now local 196) and things seem to get mired in the politics of the "big guns".  The problem as I see it is the Brotherhood is controled by the carpenters of which none of them were or are divers.  Each local seems to be dpoing it's own thing.  that is not a bad thing but somehow we have to get the National behind us for the funding for the collective locals.  I have been in the instructional field for over forty years, so I have a pretty good idea what a diver needs or what an individual needs to become a diver. 
Permalink Reply by Charles Hinson on June 9, 2011 at 10:37pm

It is good that you want to offer the highest quality instruction. Of course, if you want to compete with low wage divers, your going to have to offer superior divers. If you want to train divers for the offshore oil industry, you may want more than just "diving" instructors.  It may be worth while to know something about the industry, and what is expected from the indusrty. I've made shallow dives, and deep dives. At the end of the day, it is what is accomplished that matters. Getting back alive is surely the first consideration, but after that, the money is in getting the jod done. Getting a diving certificate is wonderful. But if your students previous jobs were at the taco bell, well, may want to expand the training course. Build some relationships with the offshore oil and gas companies, know what the market demands. Whether it is diving in nuclear plants, inland or offshore oil and gas, know what that entails. And that only comes from experienced people. If you want your students to be the best, you have to produce the best. Just something to think about.

Permalink Reply by Jerry Babin on June 10, 2011 at 6:45am

with over 20 years in the business and half of that in the GOM ( where I started) I thing I have the knowledge. As a Marine, I will only allow  the best to carry our card ( Definately not ADCI, as I will not pay tribute to Cesar) The Navy Dive Program is paid for by our tax dollars and far surpa**** what is taught in most schools. And from what I hear through the grapevine the OGP is about had enough of the ADCI and their outdated grabtactics.

I have it on GOVERNMENT authority, that there is no reason other than the silence of the divers that the ADCI is considered "THE GOVERNING BODY" and the voice of the Commercial Diving industry. That is about to change. We are setting up a 50/50 program (1/2 day in classroom, 1/ day in the water)

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